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in washington. when there are rules, they get changed to any argument you like. you can hire an economist to say what you like. >> they are the worst. >> all you are doing is arguing over the 20% in the middle. >> this is an amazing vision of politi politics. one politician, one economist, it's true. it's absolutely true. any argument, you can get a politician, economist and 40 people. >>> as long as you have a party label. >> exactly. >> then it enters, once you get to 40 and 40, it enters a round where it's debated as if reality is debated. it's not what has been debated in this country for a long time. there are no hard and fast rules that apply. it is the political argument that wins the day, one way or the other. >> taxes are political, right? >> i want to follow up on what the governor was saying. he was given an example and highlighted. we have been talking about fiction, about well, okay, if we cut taxes, the economy gets better. then the fake argument is spend, spend, spend. in reality, as we are seeing it out, it's a mixture of both. we have to do smart investments, bringing in revenue
and text. get a spectrum 2 by lg for $49.99 >> it's a hazy winter day new washington, d.c., hard to see how congressional leaders will work it out in the next fraetd hours to keep the country from falling off the so-called fiscal cliff. i'm craig melvin and you are watching msnbc, with all the focus on the fiscal cliff, will there be action on gun control. meanwhile, we are going to talk to an attorney general that wants to arm teachers to protect students. and the race to fill john kerry's senate seat. first, fiscal cliff talks. countdown clock tot screen. the senate is shouldering most of the weight of that deadline. senate leaders working behind closed doors to come up with a cliff compromise, something that the house and the president has failed to do so is far. the president has tasked senator majority leader harry reed. >> i have asked senator reed to do it, put a by on the floor to make sure that taxes on middle class families do not go up. and unemployment insurance is still available for two million people and lays the groundwork for economic growth and deficit reduction. >> everyt
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